Ok so I'll admit, I was not a fan of price action until recently. I was watching NNFX and I thought it was useless, part of the problem was that I was too lazy to bother trying it. But the more I browse this sub, the more interested I am. However, I am not completely cutting out my indicators and I'm gonna try both. But I have some questions:
Can you trade using price action on longer timeframes? (1h and up, I can't watch the charts for that long. Preferably, I would do full on swing trading using price action.)
How would you backtest a strategy using price action? I feel like this would be difficult for 2 reasons:
It is pretty subjective, so the rules aren't as strict (you might miss a trade opportunity while backtesting).
I can't backtest on tradingview using intraday charts, do you have a way to get around this? I tried drawing a black rectangle using the drawing tools but if you hover over it with your mouse, you can see price again.
I am going to read naked forex soon, would you recommend any other resources or should I stick with that for now and learn the basics first? (I'm not sure if I can even call it the "basics")
I also did the babypips course so I'm not completely clueless, but I skipped the parts about price patterns, harmonic patterns, and elliot wave (and fundamentals analysis but I'm not gonna bother with fundamentals because I only care about the news so I can avoid it, more than that is too much to keep track of IMO). I think the price patterns section might be important but the elliott wave and harmonic price patterns don't seem too important to me. Should I go back and learn these?
TL;DR Just got into Naked Forex trading but I am stuck on backtesting. Can't correctly identify critical zones (supp and res zones) and I haven't found the criteria for my trading system (wammies and moolahs) on the charts that I have back tested. Any advice? Hi there, I started learning about forex awhile back from a friend and he began to show me the basics while also directing me to babypips for the free course they put you through. Although I got into all of this awhile back, I have been stuck in the stages of finding my own strategy and backtesting it. At first, I was very much into using the basic indicators (RSI, MACD, SMA/EMA) but then I came across a recommendation in this sub to read 'Naked Forex' and I was hooked. Not in a sense that now I knew exactly what my strategy was and how to implement it, but hooked in the idea of being able to read a chart and make trades based on price action and reversals. Of course while reading the book, understanding the concepts, and looking at all the examples of the different trading strategies i'm getting hyped in my mind to get to the backtesting stage to see if I can put this knowledge to somewhat of a test. Now here I am, staring at tradingview's daily and 4h charts from 2006 onward. Here's where I get stuck. I understand identifying critical support and resistance zones and it all made sense to me in the book, but as I am backtesting I find that the zones are either always changing or I can't figure out which ones are critical. On top of that, my trading system looks something like this (advice is welcome on how this could be improved or if you see any glaring "wtfs" in it) I trade wammies & moolahs (market touches supp. or res. zone twice, second touch is lowehigher with a bearish/bullish candlestick printed on the 2nd touch) and use either a kangaroo tail or big shadow for confirmation to initiate the trade. The buy/sell stop is set 8 pips above/below the bearish/bullish candlestick and the stop loss is placed below/above the first touch. The profit target is the following zone. There's a bit more criteria for the trade but that's the blueprint of it. I apologize if it either doesn't make sense or confuses you but even after sifting through months/years of backtesting data my eyes never caught any of this action happening in the zones I've identified. Any help would be appreciated as I am a sponge and will soak in as much criticism and advice as I can.
College forex trader - would appreciate some help!
So a few months ago, someone I had met in the first few weeks of my first semester at college, had been posting pictures of his MT4 account with his profits, and I was pretty intrigued. I asked him what it was, and he said it was the Forex market, so I wanted to learn more and asked to meet up with him. When we met he was explaining it a little more and told me that he was in this networking trade group called IMarketsLive and went on to offer for me to sign up, upon which I said I wanna do a little research before I sign up for anything. And so I did, and saw a lot of different opinions about IML and the things they do, and I wasn't really attracted to the networking aspect and also did not want to start paying $275 a month just to be in the group. It seemed to me like it was kind of a pyramid scheme, so I turned down the offer but decided to try to learn about the Forex market for free on my own. I started doing more research about it in my free time, and eventually I discovered the BabyPips website where you can go through around a 330 lesson course, which goes through a lot of the basics and foundations of Forex trading. I made it through that in about a month and a half or so, and then opened up a demo account with IG. I watch a lot of youtube so more and more videos about forex started popping up in my recommended and have definitely helped along the road. One thing I saw is not to have a demo account for too long, so after around a month of having the demo and getting a little profit, I opened a live account with $300 on Oanda. I use their online trading platform and it's alright, there are some things I liked better with IG but that's besides the point. I've been trading with lots of 500 units or less so I'm only down about $6, but I feel like I'm kind of stuck. After all the stuff I've read and watched so far, I've come to understand that there are some key things every trader needs to do. From what I've seen, it's
develop and backtest a trading plan and follow it strictly
always use stop losses
have good risk management
have balance of technical and fundamental analysis (which I recently realized as I hadn't studied any fundamentals)
keep a trading journal
don't over leverage
have a good trading psychology
keep it simple
Among a few other things I might be forgetting, I understand these are crucial points to follow to become a successful trader. The only thing is I feel like I've flooded myself with so much information and I really don't know where to go from here. I don't have a trading plan mainly because the best thing I've heard to do is make one that fits my trading style, but simply put I don't know what my trading style is and don't know how to actually construct a usable plan. I know many people join the market because of the dream of turning $25 into a million dollars, however I don't have that mindset. Also I know I should focus first on preserving my capital and being consistent rather than focus on getting a lot of money, I just don't know how to do this. I am ready to put more effort into the market, I just don't know where to put it. Another thing to note is that for when I am ready and have developed a proper strategy and everything, I have sufficient capital (around $3k) to actually start making some serious profit. (for a 19 y/o!) Anyways, if you would like to give any advice, tips, things to avoid, stories, anything - that would be greatly appreciated! Thanks for reading👍 EDIT: This is my first time using reddit so I can't reply to anything because I don't have enough karma whatever that means. But thanks for your responses, they will definitely help me to start building my own strategy.
Hey all, First time poster, long time lurker. Just learning until I think of useful/interesting post. I just finished Babypips school. No this isn’t another, “What do I do next?!” eager to consume posts. More just introducing myself and share methods as I progress and chat more in this sub. It’s been a super helpful research tool with just the sidebar alone, but the interactions are also generally positive and research engaged. Forex was on my list of active/sidehobby/internet ideas to try. (Along with selling on Ebay and learning/teaching languages) I’ve always been into stocks/finance and I’m open still open to continuing learning past forex into futures and/or cryptocurrency. Forex to me is kind of an intro to price action and charts for me. Also the physics of it all that I’m hoping to apply more as time goes on. Anyways , started forex 2 years ago. Saw I needed disposable income you could lose (which I didnt have at the time) and put it off. Now I’m about 3 months in with my rediscovery of it with a lot more financial cushion/discipline.I finished the babypips school and try to practice 25-45 mins a day of something forex related the last 90 days or so. Here is my routine and some things I”ve learned since starting. Demo Trading is overrated. And then it becomes the best thing ever. I’m gunna just go out and say it. IF you’re trading for 9 months on demo you should’ve stopped 8 months ago. I mean don’t get me wrong 9 months, that shows alot of persistence in your habits, but you’re spending time on a variable that doesn’t exchange certainty in the real system. I only even say this because you could be like me. Trade demo all this time then find out the leverage you wanted isn’t even available in your country. (U.S here) So I felt like a dummy from the jump, but that’s part of the learning curve you should be doing sooner rather than later. This does not mean fund your account fully. No, put just $200. I trade with my initial capitol @ $200 and I won’t add a penny more until I’ve developed a profitable system with what’s already in there. A good investment is a good investment and throwing more money doesn’t actually add value to the growth return on your investment.(In most cases) So what’s the big deal with Demo? Well for one you want to work with a system that’s tangible in your country. U.S is capped at 1:50 leverage. I don’t know other countries regulations but it’s something I wish someone told me to look out for before I started testing financial strategies. Another thing is the spreads are often very different from what you find in demo (attention scalpers out there) sometimes dramatically. (After NY close of the day /Weekends ) You have to implement all of these factors to your strategy. Now what is demo good for? Starting out! Learning how to set indicators, trades, stop losses and so on. I’d say 60 days max if you can’t donate much time. Even less than 60 days if you have more free time but then after that it’s time to get your feet wet. One other good thing about demo accounts is that it allows you to practice fundamentally different trading ideas out before trying them out on your actual account. An example would be a scalper trying a new position strategy he learned in demo to set some long term positions next year. I enjoy trading because it’s a discipline on your anxiety. When you deposit your first amount, any amount that's more than a new video game or dvd collection, your brain is going to fire off “Hey you bought something new that can make money let’s test it out! It could be making you money” You have to calm this voice first. IF you even can. This voice makes you check the charts 3x more than you did in demo and caused at least me to trade just so the money’s not going to waste. I lost 40% of my account the first week. I would’ve called myself mentally stable before this too. But that voice broke me and you have to confront it because it’s the impatience in all of us and causes you to force your view of the markets to fit your system. Demo is a great tool but shouldnt be held on longer than it’s purpose. Immersion This is going to be a little shorter than my last topic because this is more something everyone has to find and listen to. Don’t just study the same website or forum for forex everyday. Try to get a wide view of the financial markets as a whole and various media input. Subscribe to a couple good youtube channels maybe a visual representation of what you’ve been learning could help solidify it. Maybe a podcasts personality makes your brain react differently to topics where a bland textbook reading didnt excite you the same. Watch a documentary on trading one week and hell maybe even Wolf of Wall Street another week, whatever it is that gets your whole body involved in the feeling of trading so 1) you don’t get burned out on the topic and 2) you find more ways to connect with the information you find. Whether emotional or visually. Here are two recommendations of channels that help me break the norm of my study routine: “Two Blokes Trading” Podcast I discovered these guys a while back in a comment thread. I would recommend this podcast to beginners because you can start from the very beginning of their series and learn with them. They’re young, enthusiastic and open to exploring alot of areas to trading and different philosophies. So sometimes you can find gems in subjects you didn’t expect to encounter. They also bring in advisors and brokerage managers to feature on their subjects. And it’s not all forex focused. Check them out: http://twoblokestrading.com/podcast-episodes/ Barry Burns “Top Dog Trading” Barry Burns I like because you have him walking you through the charts on youtube. One of the few videos I watched on Price action were by him where the lightbulb went off. He offers a great free resource and sometimes I even feel guilty getting it on youtube for free before sharing it because it feels like the things he touches on and how he explains them, even paid classes probably couldn’t get right. He has so many videos on different markets and how to read them just apply them to the type of trader you are. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcjyImdSWDTCGCa7G24faIQ Routine ( final topic on this post) So every week I try to keep a basic routine of forex and ways to practice. I try to wake up early as I’m on the Pacific Coast so I get up 2 hours early before I have to head to work. 20-30 mins of this time I do something related to forex education. The rest of the time I gather my foundation for the week and arrange goals / meditate/ journal. I’ll look at the charts, when I still had Babypips to finish I’d set a time and study through what I could of the course through that time. Now that I’m finished I’ll either check this sub, watch a video/podcast or try to read something related fundamentally to trading or finance. (I’d like to get some more book ideas about trading and it’s psychology) So that’s one habit. You’ve got to be able to at least schedule 20-45 minutes a day to consistent study + practice time to acquire new skills. 20 minutes uninterrupted is enough. Wake up early if you have to. Then throughout the day you’ll find time to reflect or research more and soon the time will start to add up. This also works on the other extreme too. If you have alot of free time I’d say starting out 1 hour to 2 hours max is what you should dedicate to studying. Forex is a very mentally fatiguing process skill. You’ve got to let your brain recharge (need those MP potions it seems) the whole currency system is heavy and complex enough that starting from scratch you couldn’t learn everything in 24 hours straight. I’d say even a week straight wouldn’t work. It takes time and a habitual familiarity. It’s not dissimilar to learning a language. Where concepts become stacked on a foundation of understanding to be acted upon through your day to day. Even if you can name all the working parts, experience build with how much time you think in that language per day. There’s a reason I chose the word “Immersion” for my second topic. Moving along. Another part of my routine is backtesting 40-50 trades a week of my strongest system. This equates to a little under 10 trades a day. I completely journal and track profits like they were live. Some suggest using a simulator, while that is a great practice for timing entries, I’ve found just using the Metatrader 4 Desktop and using the F12 key to progress forward one tick at a time has been sufficient for my backtesting needs. Backtesting gives you an opportunity to practice way more trades in a week than live session will be able to provide. I’m using M15 - H1 intraday strategies and maybe pull off 5-6 trades a week. BUT I practice 10x that amount per week. Soon you’ll find your live performance is really only a display of how your last week backtesting went. It’s like football practice for the gameday. Now which system I test varies, like I said I’ll try my strongest, but that changes. Just grab any system you think you can pull off and backtest it. Babypips gave me my first few, then I created some ridiculous ones, but over time your experience of a system and how to get them to work for you grows by running test trades. Systems I’ve found and backtested that are online are: the “So Easy It’s Ridiculous” system and the Cowabunga System, both found on babypips and a simple google search. Easy. I know, and really a system is just supposed to make having trading decisions easier for you. But your participation and exit are equally important. Can you follow easy rules you or others make? No questions asked? So that concludes my post. I hope in the future when I’ve backtested 1,000 trades I can post some of my personal systems I’ve followed, right now they feel to amateur to even share. I am the humble fool, so any ideas on my style or feedback on where I should head are greatly appreciated. I’m open to questions and dialogue so feel free to send a PM or comment. Hearing from other traders is the reason I even started this account to post and interact. This post and future ones I have planned are kind of a new element I wanted to try of journaling that allows me some social accountability and feedback from a community rather than all my entries being hoarded in my notebooks, so my apologies if it’s more wordy than usual on here. Thanks everyone and have fun! -AP TL:DR Just browse over the bold sections
Technical & fundamental news on currencies.I would advise newer traders not to trade solely on external opinions because that won't cement your own methodology or reasons for trading.Excellent website for if you want an overview of the markets and daily reports. Also includes a trading journal and a lot of media attention.
This is absolutely amazing! I can't put a value on this! It's one of the best gems of the internet. Podcasts interviewing successful traders, some are notable such as 50pips, Walter Peters & Chris Kapre.
One of the best free online schools which tracks your progress and teaches you heaps on information. The forum is the gem, where many people keep trade journals and put up their strategies. Don't copy them but borrowing concepts and ideas is good.
SUPER IMPORTANT This website is paramount to your success, still in development but will provide users with an easy way to document trades. Success is determined by your willingness to follow through with the boring bits so keep this one in your bookmarks.
The common trait he sees in successful traders, how long it took him to become profitable, the most important trade that made him successful, his favourite books and why they both like Jessica Peletier.
A warehouse worker went through his trials and tribulations to be given the offer of managing an $80 million fund. How he started with $800 and no clue what to do, 2 biggest mistakes he sees traders making, how he continues to improve and what has happened to his lifestyle since becoming a full-time trader.
How Timothy Sykes inspired her, what minimalism is all about and how it's spread to every facet of her life, what her single pair to trade is, what the 2 best traits for successful traders are and plenty more!
What plastic bottles have to do with trading, how much money you need to have to be properly funded and go full-time, how much work you have to do and how long it'll take to get there, 2 best traits to have and loads loads more!
Can you actually trade from a beach? The use of hypnosis to make him a better trader, the method that works with his psychology, how much you need to get started, how long it took him to become profitable and what he would do differently if he had to start over! plus loads more!
Personal Favorite I love this guy because he's true and noble. He is philanthropic, offers trading courses that are cheap and really knows what he's talking about. He explains how a 3 second glance can stop you 2nd guessing yourself, how much he made with $3000 in 6 months and plenty more!
How he's turned some traders around in 30 minutes, why you never trade on a monday, the courses he bought, why he teaches outside the classroom and why he sent his kids to learn chinese.
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Started trading about 10 months ago, I've become paralysed to act and not sure where to go next
About 10 months ago a friend introduced me to forex trading. He had only recently started and we decided to start together. I had basically no idea what I was doing but had fun looking at charts. I went live right away and traded small amounts like $2-4. I messed about with a ton of indicators, peoples strategies, watched YouTube videos, read babypips etc. I went on to develop a custom interface for the broker I was using to make trading quicker. I also tried to make my own backtest engine which aimed to respond to signals etc. Ended in loses (virtual of course). 10 months later I'm still in profit, thanks to just 1-2 big trades. If it was not for those I would be in a lose. Right now I'm not sure what to do. I became paralysed to enter any trade now. I look at a market, unable to decide or be confident enough to enter. At the start I thought my chances at winning were as good as gambling. Then i thought i could make a system to win. Then i realised there is no such system, and now im lost and feel like i learned nothing. At this point I don't know what to think. Where do you guys suggest I go next? What should I do now?
Hi guys, I've mostly been a lurker or don't visit this forum very regularly.. But I would like to ask you guys a favor.. I am down almost 50% as of today.. I'm not sure why but I just seem to "get it"? What should I do..? Could anyone guide me personally? I spent the last 9 months learning from scratch, books, babypips, youtube and other sources. Is the Forex dream really that difficult? I've tried countless number of strategy then finally worked out one after countless hours of backtesting and at that time I was down 40% then the past month +8% of my initial capital, this week it will be down more than 50% if this current trade does not work out.. I also take very little risk.. like 1%-2%. If someone is free to talk privately it'd be really nice :/ Maybe it's just emotions. Should I deposit more? How the hell can I regain the initial capital? The money I lost is 100% can be afforded to lose. But it sucks and feels so damn terrible when I spend so damn much time and am still not able to do it. How did you guys do it? How much did you start with? Could you share your story? How am I supposed to become rich, how much capital and risk per trade with your stats(WL ratio & Risk vs Reward ratio) do you recommend?
I started with forex trading recently, ( demo account, <2% per trade, log all trades into excel, testing, etc...). When i read about technical analysis, there`s minimum strict rules and almost all indicators are recommended to try because all other people believe they are useful in some situation. does anybody backtested all those indicators, should we blindly believe and try all indicators in our strategy ? I know that majority of people is using them but are there actually any proofs that those indicators really helps you ? Moving averages are not rocket science, but what i should think about fibonacci or SAR ? I was like WTF when i was reading about these... All traders say don't trade just because of "good feeling" but we do actually trade just because "blue indicator" is near or "red indicator" - that`s just naive approach. I know that technical analysis is just one part of complex forex world ,but i believe we all should backtest automatically basic indicators to see when they really helps, this would greatly help people to develop better strategies. Do you know any papers/studies or blogs of forex people with more engineering approach to forex ? I really liked traits-of-successful-traders-guide from fxcm, its not technical analysis but they are telling you about basics facts e.g. best hours, success of sample strategies, effective leverage - thats how tutorial for beginners should look like. Babypips.com are maybe informative but very very naive, not explaning numbers much. Thanks.
About to start trading for the first time. Anyone wanna talk?
I don't really have any specific questions, just looking for general advice. Well, maybe one...see the bottom. I've gone through most of the babypips school, and just finished reading Courtney Smith's book. I have somewhat of a bit of background in game theory due to hobbies (I was one of the better players in the country in the national tournament scene of a certain video game, and have close friends who have been ranked in chess and poker who I have been playing with and learned a lot of game theory from), and tend to prefer boring, "turtle" strategies. I considered scalping, but I don't think it will fit my lifestyle (time consuming). So, I'm probably going to look at position trading the daily charts, and I'll start mostly with the methods from the book I was reading. I want to be as disciplined as possible- picking entry/exit points before entering the trade, doing as much of it automatically via stops as possible (which I will look at and adjust only according to TA), and looking at my positions once per day. No emotion. On a long flight yesterday I finally sat down and wrote up a trading plan, buying on a few techniques, all of which have set stops. I'll calculate my position size so that if I am stopped out (stops based on technical analysis) I will lose 1% of my account value. This also means that positions with wide stops will not be very profitable. I will write down every trade and what signal I used to make the trade. Every thirty trades, I'll eliminate my worst-performing signal and replace it with a different one, and see how I do. I did some backtesting on EUUSD over the first few months of 2009. Trading on inside days seemed profitable, as well as reversal days. Channel breakouts were iffy...I used the ADX filter to exit, and that let me exit at really good times, but because the stops were too wide (for long position, I was buying at 55 day high breakout and setting stop to 20-day low breakout) I was barely making any money off of it and that was wiped out by the bad trades. I need to figure out where I can place tighter stops on Channel Breakouts without removing too many winning trades. My biggest concern is that inside days seemed too consistent...I usually made almost as much money as I was risking on my stop every time I did it, barring one or two times where I basically broke even. Seems like a couple losing trades could've set me back pretty quickly and I should be seeing more. I should probably do more backtesting, but I feel a trial by fire would work better. I'll probably just set the risk to 0.5% instead of 1% and start a very small account and see how it does (I'd have to lose hundreds of trades in a row to get wiped out). Am I doing this right? And, the real question- what broker should I use? Right now I'm looking at Oanda. I saw a poster saying good things about IB and I'd rather use Ninjatrader because I hate MT 4, so I might look at shifting over to them when I have more money, but I don't have $25k liquid cash available to open an account with them. Oanda's flexibility with position size seems ideal for my ~1% risk on stop plan. However, the more I read about Forex brokers, the more nervous I get...they seem to make money when you lose and engage in all kinds of unscrupulous tactics like stop-hunting, slippage failing to trigger stops, and raising the spreads during big moves. Feels more like playing against the house than trading. This alone makes me feel tempted to go trade stock options instead with the same plan and see if that works. Thoughts?
So I have put together what I consider the definitive guide to backtesting Forex trading strategies, to help get you started. This guide is the result of my personal experience with backtesting and talking to dozens of professional Forex traders over the years. I hope that it helps you get started and see the value in the process. More importantly perhaps, I also hope that it is something that ... You can use it to manually backtest strategies with MT4 Strategy Tester. It only works with Strategy Tester, and only in Visual Mode. At the moment you can manually buy or sell, close all positions, close all longs or all shorts. TP and SL can be set in the Expert Properties. Attachment 2595164 Additional features will be added later. Feel free to test and share your thoughts. Attached Image ... Software that will allow you to find the working methods and dismiss the losing ones while you backtest your strategies. Get Forex Tester, the best trading simulator for backtesting, a training platform and a prediction app all in one, and make every trade work for your total success on the currency market <p>Backtesting software - BabyPips.com Forex Trading Forum.</p> Forex Simulator. Download 130 GB of high-quality historical tick data, drag-drop orders, SL and TP.Hi, I currently use a Mac and I am in need of a backtester without parallels.Is there any software out there for a mac, to build an automated forex.Is it really possible to get Metatrader and Forex Tester on Mac. Of course, I decided to backtest some other strategies related to the threads of FF as well but since the admins of this site decided to transfer this thread to the commercial section, I can't develop the topic in a way that I want. For example, I can't show the results to the OPs and the followers of the threads that I backtest their strategies so that we might have a productive conversation ... 2. You have tried and tested other methods and strategies. Traders say that full-time trading just means that you’re a part-time trader and a full-time backtester. In a way, this is true. Full-time traders know that you can’t make your living off of one good strategy alone. Backtesting is a vital step when building out trading strategies. The core idea here is to develop a strategy that can be used across an asset class. You want this idea to be implementable any time the conditions of the strategy are met. Sometimes this only applies to a single stock, but other strategies may be viable across whole sectors, asset classes, etc… Backtesting is all about testing ...
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